beta 2 which platform using x86 x64

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message

Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Hi Andre,
Here is a summary of some of the machines I am testing, all using Beta 2.
System 1: Pentium 4 1.8GHz 2.0GB RAM ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB AGP 1600x1200x32 x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2 (production OS)
Performance is much worse that Windows XP. Cisco VPN Client is a big showstopper keeping it from daily use. Just navigating around is slower and I much prefer things to be snappy rather than pretty, although both would be great. Disabled UAP on this one to make QuickBooks 2006 run.
System 2: Pentium D 3.0 EM64T 2.0GB RAM ATI X600 PCI-X 256MB 1920x1200x32 x64 and x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2
Overall performance is better on this machine compared to the one above, but not as good as Windows XP. QuickBooks print to PDF feature doesn't work in x64 for Windows XP or Windows Vista x64, so at is one main reason I use x86 on this machine more often. All drivers install and work OK. Video performance on Windows Energy screensaver is not as good as the system above for some reason. Haven't got to test many apps on this one, but will next week. Also, I plan on running x64 a little more despite the QuickBooks issue.
System 3: Pentium 4 3.0 HT 512MB RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AGP 1024x768 x86 Ultimate ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website ATI 550 Tuners (x2)
This one really chokes with 512MB of RAM, but is used as a Media Center PC and Microsoft wants it to say at 512MB for testing. It does OK and is actually usable. Records fine, however playback is still jumpy.
How about posting what you are using? Why are you using the SKUs you are?
Jeff Warren

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet.

84.4 u32bit. Can't get 64bit ide card drivers (promise 133xt2) to run the 64 bit edition. Frank

Hi Jeff,
Good news on on Cisco VPN client, Cisco is working on it and you can expect an update just after Vista is released. As for the Print to PDF feature in x64, this is in the realm of Adobe I guess, since PDF drive needs to also be 64-bit native.
As for me and my setup:
System 1: (Desktop) Pentium 4 HT 3.2 GHz x86 processor Windows Vista Ultimate x86 2.5 GBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86
System 2: (Laptop) Pentium 4 M 2.0 Ghz x86 processor Windows Vista Business x86 768 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce 4 Go 32 MB Dual booting with XP Pro x86, Vista Home Premium (5308), Longhorn Server (5308)
System 3: (Desktop) AMD Sempron 2600 1.6 GHz x86-x64 Windows Vista Ultimate x64 512 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, Server 2003 x86, Server 2003 x64
I have seen tremendous improvements in areas of performance, such as the install time, 5381 took 75 mins, 5384, 35 mins. MCE is still shaky, I still see bugs from 5308 that have not been fixed, but were promised to be fixed after build 5335, 5346 and 5355. AutoCAD 2006 fails horribly, lots of apps still not working, I am hoping for a miracle. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jeff Warren" wrote in message

Hi Andre,
Here is a summary of some of the machines I am testing, all using Beta 2.
System 1: Pentium 4 1.8GHz 2.0GB RAM ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB AGP 1600x1200x32 x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2 (production OS)
Performance is much worse that Windows XP. Cisco VPN Client is a big showstopper keeping it from daily use. Just navigating around is slower and I much prefer things to be snappy rather than pretty, although both would be great. Disabled UAP on this one to make QuickBooks 2006 run.
System 2: Pentium D 3.0 EM64T 2.0GB RAM ATI X600 PCI-X 256MB 1920x1200x32 x64 and x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2
Overall performance is better on this machine compared to the one above, but not as good as Windows XP. QuickBooks print to PDF feature doesn't work in x64 for Windows XP or Windows Vista x64, so at is one main reason I use x86 on this machine more often. All drivers install and work OK. Video performance on Windows Energy screensaver is not as good as the system above for some reason. Haven't got to test many apps on this one, but will next week. Also, I plan on running x64 a little more despite the QuickBooks issue.
System 3: Pentium 4 3.0 HT 512MB RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AGP 1024x768 x86 Ultimate ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website ATI 550 Tuners (x2)
This one really chokes with 512MB of RAM, but is used as a Media Center PC and Microsoft wants it to say at 512MB for testing. It does OK and is actually usable. Records fine, however playback is still jumpy.
How about posting what you are using? Why are you using the SKUs you are?
Jeff Warren

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Beta 2 x86 and x64 Ultimate on a 64-bit box. x86 is a slow performer. x64 is OK. 5384 is a far better distro for my box than any of the earlier builds with the possible exception of 5231. There has a been a particularly good improvement in hardware detection and driver availablility with Beta 2.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

I notice on my laptop there has been a step back in driver detection. I builds prior to 5381, Vista x86 automatically installed my 3com ethernet adapter, ever since 5381, it stop doing so. The XP drivers work just fine though. I must also note, all systems except the laptop have AERO Glass. I agree though, its the best build since 5231. Every build since 5270 to 5365 BSOD on me, because of the lack of a half duplex modem driver, this was resolved just before 5381 was released. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Beta 2 x86 and x64 Ultimate on a 64-bit box. x86 is a slow performer. x64 is OK. 5384 is a far better distro for my box than any of the earlier builds with the possible exception of 5231. There has a been a particularly good improvement in hardware detection and driver availablility with Beta 2.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

So far all is well but dont have Admin acount. Cant seem to get one or to get into it. Some slow downs and Glass turns off with some programs running then when exit program glass turns on. I am using Vista 5365 Ulitmate. On a emachine laptop with an AMD Athlon 64,512Mem 80gig drive,ATI 9600 pro.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Hi Tony, you can only access the Administrator account in Vista in safe mode. There is a work around though to get into in real mode. Check out the work around by Jerry Hame (Windows Connected) http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jerry/archive/2006/02/22/1028.aspx
Glass turns off in some applications I guess because they are not updated to support certain features of the API or they are using proprietary API's that are compatible with Windows. Java based applications are one example, download the BETA 2 Java Mustang update from Sun's website and should resolve this. Itunes and Quicktime also disable Glass, but the recent 6.04 update resolved this. Also certain ActiveX controls will do this. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tony" wrote in message

So far all is well but dont have Admin acount. Cant seem to get one or to get into it. Some slow downs and Glass turns off with some programs running then when exit program glass turns on. I am using Vista 5365 Ulitmate. On a emachine laptop with an AMD Athlon 64,512Mem 80gig drive,ATI 9600 pro.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

QuickBooks uses a third party PDF engine -from Amyuni. If one buys the current version of Amyuni PDF converter, installs it, and renames it to "QuickBooks PDF Converter" then it will work, but I don't want to spend more money on an application I just spent $399.00USD on.
Looks like you have the AMD ready for just about anything with all of those OSs on there!
I have been thinking - I may just create persistent VPN tunnel to the Cisco Concentrators using a PIX on my end, then I will not need the VPN Client :). That should work in the near term.
How does the AMD do with 512MB or RAM? Have you noticed a lot of swapping?
BTW, all of my systems will run Glass, however I have been using Windows Classic lately to compare the performance.
Jeff
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hi Jeff,
Good news on on Cisco VPN client, Cisco is working on it and you can expect an update just after Vista is released. As for the Print to PDF feature in x64, this is in the realm of Adobe I guess, since PDF drive needs to also be 64-bit native.
As for me and my setup:
System 1: (Desktop) Pentium 4 HT 3.2 GHz x86 processor Windows Vista Ultimate x86 2.5 GBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86
System 2: (Laptop) Pentium 4 M 2.0 Ghz x86 processor Windows Vista Business x86 768 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce 4 Go 32 MB Dual booting with XP Pro x86, Vista Home Premium (5308), Longhorn Server (5308)
System 3: (Desktop) AMD Sempron 2600 1.6 GHz x86-x64 Windows Vista Ultimate x64 512 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, Server 2003 x86, Server 2003 x64
I have seen tremendous improvements in areas of performance, such as the install time, 5381 took 75 mins, 5384, 35 mins. MCE is still shaky, I still see bugs from 5308 that have not been fixed, but were promised to be fixed after build 5335, 5346 and 5355. AutoCAD 2006 fails horribly, lots of apps still not working, I am hoping for a miracle. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jeff Warren" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Here is a summary of some of the machines I am testing, all using Beta 2.
System 1: Pentium 4 1.8GHz 2.0GB RAM ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB AGP 1600x1200x32 x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2 (production OS)
Performance is much worse that Windows XP. Cisco VPN Client is a big showstopper keeping it from daily use. Just navigating around is slower and I much prefer things to be snappy rather than pretty, although both would be great. Disabled UAP on this one to make QuickBooks 2006 run.
System 2: Pentium D 3.0 EM64T 2.0GB RAM ATI X600 PCI-X 256MB 1920x1200x32 x64 and x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2
Overall performance is better on this machine compared to the one above, but not as good as Windows XP. QuickBooks print to PDF feature doesn't work in x64 for Windows XP or Windows Vista x64, so at is one main reason I use x86 on this machine more often. All drivers install and work OK. Video performance on Windows Energy screensaver is not as good as the system above for some reason. Haven't got to test many apps on this one, but will next week. Also, I plan on running x64 a little more despite the QuickBooks issue.
System 3: Pentium 4 3.0 HT 512MB RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AGP 1024x768 x86 Ultimate ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website ATI 550 Tuners (x2)
This one really chokes with 512MB of RAM, but is used as a Media Center PC and Microsoft wants it to say at 512MB for testing. It does OK and is actually usable. Records fine, however playback is still jumpy.
How about posting what you are using? Why are you using the SKUs you are?
Jeff Warren

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

I an having fun with Vista Build 5384.4. This is the only O/S I've see continue running with the CPU pegged at 100% with some of my heavy hitting apps. I think MS has a winner here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

sorry , Platform is: P4 3ghz 800fsb 3gbs DDR ram 233gbs hdd sata's DVD /RW dual Lan NIC Gaphics is an ATI Radeon 9600 /128mb on two ViewSonic Vp920b "Robert Rixx" wrote in message

I an having fun with Vista Build 5384.4. This is the only O/S I've see continue running with the CPU pegged at 100% with some of my heavy hitting apps. I think MS has a winner here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

You can also get to it within Vista in Control panel/ adminitrative tools/computer management/localusers and Groups/ users, and rightclick on the administrator, and make sure there a NOT a check in the in the Disable this account box.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hi Tony, you can only access the Administrator account in Vista in safe mode. There is a work around though to get into in real mode. Check out the work around by Jerry Hame (Windows Connected) http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jerry/archive/2006/02/22/1028.aspx
Glass turns off in some applications I guess because they are not updated to support certain features of the API or they are using proprietary API's that are compatible with Windows. Java based applications are one example, download the BETA 2 Java Mustang update from Sun's website and should resolve this. Itunes and Quicktime also disable Glass, but the recent 6.04 update resolved this. Also certain ActiveX controls will do this. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tony" wrote in message So far all is well but dont have Admin acount. Cant seem to get one or to get into it. Some slow downs and Glass turns off with some programs running then when exit program glass turns on. I am using Vista 5365 Ulitmate. On a emachine laptop with an AMD Athlon 64,512Mem 80gig drive,ATI 9600 pro.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

LOL, you make me laugh. Vista is still "BETA", and the focus now is to optimize the code for performance and fix any bugs that are found. Vista contains a lot of debug code right now, thats part of the reason why its really so memory intensive. I am running Vista on a machine with 512 MBs of RAM, yes, its not as fast as XP but I don't see any loss in productivity really from it. Even Zack Whittecker has managed to install Vista on a system with 256 MBs of RAM (don't know the performance) but it sounds like its working ok.
Anyway, don't cast judgment yet, lets wait until the software RTM's before we do so. Also, we are still not at RC1 yet, and that build will be a true reflection of what the RTM will be, then we can start to decide if Windows Vista is right for us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Rixx" wrote in message

I an having fun with Vista Build 5384.4. This is the only O/S I've see continue running with the CPU pegged at 100% with some of my heavy hitting apps. I think MS has a winner here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
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--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Too bad, about PDF and QuickBooks, I hope you reported it to Microsoft and Intuit. Its good to know you have a work around for the VPN issue, VPN just seems to suck in Vista right now, I hope people are bugging the hell out of it.
The AMD is ok but, its not a star I would say with Vista on it, regardless I am getting Glass, it feels laggy and the boot time is still slow, its just not a performer for Vista. Oh, I forgot, I am also running OS X on it. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jeff Warren" wrote in message

QuickBooks uses a third party PDF engine -from Amyuni. If one buys the current version of Amyuni PDF converter, installs it, and renames it to "QuickBooks PDF Converter" then it will work, but I don't want to spend more money on an application I just spent $399.00USD on.
Looks like you have the AMD ready for just about anything with all of those OSs on there!
I have been thinking - I may just create persistent VPN tunnel to the Cisco Concentrators using a PIX on my end, then I will not need the VPN Client :). That should work in the near term.
How does the AMD do with 512MB or RAM? Have you noticed a lot of swapping?
BTW, all of my systems will run Glass, however I have been using Windows Classic lately to compare the performance.
Jeff
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hi Jeff,
Good news on on Cisco VPN client, Cisco is working on it and you can expect an update just after Vista is released. As for the Print to PDF feature in x64, this is in the realm of Adobe I guess, since PDF drive needs to also be 64-bit native.
As for me and my setup:
System 1: (Desktop) Pentium 4 HT 3.2 GHz x86 processor Windows Vista Ultimate x86 2.5 GBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86
System 2: (Laptop) Pentium 4 M 2.0 Ghz x86 processor Windows Vista Business x86 768 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce 4 Go 32 MB Dual booting with XP Pro x86, Vista Home Premium (5308), Longhorn Server (5308)
System 3: (Desktop) AMD Sempron 2600 1.6 GHz x86-x64 Windows Vista Ultimate x64 512 MBs of RAM nVidia Geforce FX 5200 128 MB AGP 1024 by 768 32-bit Dual booting with XP Pro x86, XP Pro x64, Server 2003 x86, Server 2003 x64
I have seen tremendous improvements in areas of performance, such as the install time, 5381 took 75 mins, 5384, 35 mins. MCE is still shaky, I still see bugs from 5308 that have not been fixed, but were promised to be fixed after build 5335, 5346 and 5355. AutoCAD 2006 fails horribly, lots of apps still not working, I am hoping for a miracle. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Jeff Warren" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Here is a summary of some of the machines I am testing, all using Beta 2.
System 1: Pentium 4 1.8GHz 2.0GB RAM ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB AGP 1600x1200x32 x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2 (production OS)
Performance is much worse that Windows XP. Cisco VPN Client is a big showstopper keeping it from daily use. Just navigating around is slower and I much prefer things to be snappy rather than pretty, although both would be great. Disabled UAP on this one to make QuickBooks 2006 run.
System 2: Pentium D 3.0 EM64T 2.0GB RAM ATI X600 PCI-X 256MB 1920x1200x32 x64 and x86 Business ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website Dual booting from Bootable DVD install with Windows XP Professional SP2
Overall performance is better on this machine compared to the one above, but not as good as Windows XP. QuickBooks print to PDF feature doesn't work in x64 for Windows XP or Windows Vista x64, so at is one main reason I use x86 on this machine more often. All drivers install and work OK. Video performance on Windows Energy screensaver is not as good as the system above for some reason. Haven't got to test many apps on this one, but will next week. Also, I plan on running x64 a little more despite the QuickBooks issue.
System 3: Pentium 4 3.0 HT 512MB RAM ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AGP 1024x768 x86 Ultimate ATI Beta 2 drivers from their website ATI 550 Tuners (x2)
This one really chokes with 512MB of RAM, but is used as a Media Center PC and Microsoft wants it to say at 512MB for testing. It does OK and is actually usable. Records fine, however playback is still jumpy.
How about posting what you are using? Why are you using the SKUs you are?
Jeff Warren

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Great tip, thanks Rob. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Rixx" wrote in message

You can also get to it within Vista in Control panel/ adminitrative tools/computer management/localusers and Groups/ users, and rightclick on the administrator, and make sure there a NOT a check in the in the Disable this account box.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hi Tony, you can only access the Administrator account in Vista in safe mode. There is a work around though to get into in real mode. Check out the work around by Jerry Hame (Windows Connected) http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jerry/archive/2006/02/22/1028.aspx
Glass turns off in some applications I guess because they are not updated to support certain features of the API or they are using proprietary API's that are compatible with Windows. Java based applications are one example, download the BETA 2 Java Mustang update from Sun's website and should resolve this. Itunes and Quicktime also disable Glass, but the recent 6.04 update resolved this. Also certain ActiveX controls will do this. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Tony" wrote in message So far all is well but dont have Admin acount. Cant seem to get one or to get into it. Some slow downs and Glass turns off with some programs running then when exit program glass turns on. I am using Vista 5365 Ulitmate. On a emachine laptop with an AMD Athlon 64,512Mem 80gig drive,ATI 9600 pro.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] let us take part in his eXPerience as following: ....

The AMD is ok but, its not a star I would say with Vista on it, regardless I am getting Glass, it feels laggy and the boot time is still slow, its just not a performer for Vista.

What do you suggest: because of the 1.6 GHz CPU with 128k L2, because of the 512MB RAM, because of the FX5200... what's the bottleneck?

Oh, I forgot, I am also running OS X on it. :)

Impressive, indeed! And how is it performing, compared to the various Windows?
Roy

Actually guys... it is possible on 128MB RAM... it really is slow, but it can and has been done ;o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

LOL, you make me laugh. Vista is still "BETA", and the focus now is to optimize the code for performance and fix any bugs that are found. Vista contains a lot of debug code right now, thats part of the reason why its really so memory intensive. I am running Vista on a machine with 512 MBs of RAM, yes, its not as fast as XP but I don't see any loss in productivity really from it. Even Zack Whittecker has managed to install Vista on a system with 256 MBs of RAM (don't know the performance) but it sounds like its working ok.
Anyway, don't cast judgment yet, lets wait until the software RTM's before we do so. Also, we are still not at RC1 yet, and that build will be a true reflection of what the RTM will be, then we can start to decide if Windows Vista is right for us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Rixx" wrote in message I an having fun with Vista Build 5384.4. This is the only O/S I've see continue running with the CPU pegged at 100% with some of my heavy hitting apps. I think MS has a winner here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

But we need to think realistic. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Actually guys... it is possible on 128MB RAM... it really is slow, but it can and has been done ;o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message LOL, you make me laugh. Vista is still "BETA", and the focus now is to optimize the code for performance and fix any bugs that are found. Vista contains a lot of debug code right now, thats part of the reason why its really so memory intensive. I am running Vista on a machine with 512 MBs of RAM, yes, its not as fast as XP but I don't see any loss in productivity really from it. Even Zack Whittecker has managed to install Vista on a system with 256 MBs of RAM (don't know the performance) but it sounds like its working ok.
Anyway, don't cast judgment yet, lets wait until the software RTM's before we do so. Also, we are still not at RC1 yet, and that build will be a true reflection of what the RTM will be, then we can start to decide if Windows Vista is right for us. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Robert Rixx" wrote in message I an having fun with Vista Build 5384.4. This is the only O/S I've see continue running with the CPU pegged at 100% with some of my heavy hitting apps. I think MS has a winner here.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Why are you having a problem with it? I am writing a preview of Windows Vista BETA 2 for ActiveWin.com of which I am staff, ActiveWin is one of the top Windows Vista community sites, so I need this information for statistical purposes. Also, its for discussion and assistance. I can sense you have a problem with me starting this post, but seriously, I don't care. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Vista x64 - Ultimate Vista x86 - Home Premium Vista x86 - Business
Why on earth dya want to know anyway? It's not going to any thinktank or anything :oS
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Fox" wrote in message Hi Andre,
Running Vista beta 2 x86 (no x64 hardware !) Ultimate. Trying to run MCE, but not having any luck - as Vista cannot pick-up any TV stations :( My USB-TV box works fine on XP, but nothing at all on Vista.
Ah well - good job I got it for free!! lol
--
---- Fox ----
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

Its really the RAM, I understand that Vista loves RAM, its a 64-bit processor, so that shouldn't really be the bottleneck in performance. I will add more RAM when RTM's. As for OS X, really, really fast, it is so responsive, I rearly use it though because ethernet, usb are not working. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Roy Coorne" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] let us take part in his eXPerience as following: ...
The AMD is ok but, its not a star I would say with Vista on it, regardless I am getting Glass, it feels laggy and the boot time is still slow, its just not a performer for Vista.
What do you suggest: because of the 1.6 GHz CPU with 128k L2, because of the 512MB RAM, because of the FX5200... what's the bottleneck?
Oh, I forgot, I am also running OS X on it. :)
Impressive, indeed! And how is it performing, compared to the various Windows?
Roy

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

I'm running Vista Ultimate x64. I chose that over 32bit as it's x64, nuff said.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

I forgot this info in my post before this. I'll start over from 0.
Vista x64 - because it is x64. Asus A8N Sli Deluxe mobo AMDX2 DualCore 4200+ 2 Western Digital 74gb 10,000 rpm as raid 0. SATA 1 :( Western Digital NCQ 160gb sata backup drive Iomagic Lightscribe dvd/rw DL etc Floppy 1GB DDR Corsair ram which is the faster kind I think. 2x 512mb in dual channel mode. EVGA 7800 256mb PCI-X 16x video card not sli just by itself for now. Samsung 19" SynchMaster 955DF monitor. It's not too bad. Looks much nicer in Vista then XP that's for sure, :) Thank you Microsoft. The text is better then in XP. Just a normal MS internet keyboard Logitech wireless MX-700 mouse. Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 speakers. Dlink 510 wireless card, not sure if that's the right model number. Using the onboard sound from the mobo. HP Color Laser printer LaserJet 2550L Resolution is 32bit color 1280x1024 @75hz
Vista is installed on the 160gb backup drive since I couldn't get it to install on the raid because there was no Vista raid controller drivers anywhere that I could tell.
HP printer doesn't work from the default windows install. I have not tried to find any vista x64 drivers for this yet. Install was fine. I'm so glad MS finally got the install to where you only click a couple buttons because XP and previous install sucked with you having to totally babysit the install selecting everything etc. On first boot Vista came with no sound and no wireless drivers. Running the option from the Welcome Center to install drivers for hardware not installed already was very nice. It found the audio drivers, but nothing for the wireless or printer etc. The network worked fine right off the bat though, didn't have to do any driver install etc. With XP you do have to install drivers before getting online, not in Vista x64 beta 2, whew!! Way to go MS.
I like the GUI much much better then XP. Text is more ledgable. Colors and windows, folders, icons etc are much nicer. Glass and Areo are cool I think. Not great, but cool. I hate how this is using the default stupid windows xp sounds, :( I thought Vista would have different and also better sounds for browing the net and folders, trash can etc. I'm not sure why, but I really like the sidebar now that I've used it. It's awesome how it is completely transparent. It totally disappears to match the background. I love that Vista has gadgets and they look great. The RSS feed on the sidebar will be awesome once it works for me and once I learn it. IE7+ is nicer then previous versions. I don't like the tab bar thing that is always there. That button you click to open a new tab is stupid. It shouldn't be there and I don't know how to get rid of it. I'd rather right click new tab then have that button always in the tab bar. The start menu is a lot different. I'm not sure I like it. I've not really been using it much. I do like how it works with getting rid of the cascading menues, but also don't like it totally. It's ok. It's going to take a little to get used to it, but it's ok and I spose it does work for the most part with being user friendly in a way and at least yer still able to get at stuff. I like Windows Mail better then Outlook express. Colors, text, some other things. I am glad MS includes their news server by default. This hopefully will be used a lot so people can get help. Being able to tell what window is in front or back etc like a lot complain about is a problem, but you can easily tell just by looking. Sheese. The close/max and min buttons are different. This isn't good enough, but you can tell. Hybernate is buggy. It doesn't work all the time and if it does it has problems logging you in. My pc is set for 1 hr to go into hybernation. Last night it was on all night and never did this. When it does work it is locked when you come back. I don't like this since I'm the only one using the pc. Have to change it if possible. When typing in the password for your user account to unlock the pc it does not work a lot of times. I type in my password to get back into windows, but it doesn't do anything. The user icon goes away and all you see is the switch user button and I have to click that and then re log in to get it to finally work. This is extremly annoying, but I'm sure it'll get fixed. It dang well better. I don't like the UAC, but I know you can turn it off via msconfig and also somewhere in windows, but I forget where I found this at lol. I haven't turned it off as I don't care right now, it's new and I want to use Vista at least for now in such a way that I'm using what is new so I can learn it and get used to it. I think to find things like the network stuff and things like that is a lot harder to find then in XP and this really sucks. It's fine once I learn where it's at though. The green progress bar is really nice compared to XP and those stupid boxes as a progress bar. I like it ok I guess. It's much more difficult when downloading files from the net in IE7+ because of the new folder structure. I'm always having to look carefully where the breadcrumb menu is showing and how to get there etc when saving files. I just have to learn this now. I like it ok, but it's harder then XP, but only because you need to get used to it. I think it's better to have that breadcrumb thing as Mac OSX has had that ever since it came out years ago, but it's better because it's easier to get to previous spots and to know where you're at. I like the small shadow around the edges of windows and stuff. It's nice.
That's all I can really think of for now. Hopefully this is a decent review or whatever you call it.

x86 Beta 2 Ultimate
Thumbs up? On a Beta? Yeah, it's fun, but also frustrating... too many bugs still... don't see how they're gonna hit the rumored public release of Jan 07, to be honest...

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

I'm running Ultimate x64 (5384) on ASUS A8NSLI-Deluxe running AMD64 3000+ (single core revision E) 2GB Corsair PC3200 2x 7200.8 Seagate Barracuda SATA (standalone) Asus/Nvidia 6800GT PCIe X-Fi Platinum
but having a lot of issues: Soundcard not working due to no drivers working on 5384/x64 2 Asus devices, ACPI related, not recognised - can't find any driver to install with Vista intermittent hanging intermittent harddisk errors and filesystem corruption that is likely caused by one of the above. ....and that's aside from other minor niggles...
I used to have some of these problems under XP, but they were fixed by NForce driver updates. XP has been fine for me ever since... so i don't believe the hardware could be at fault.
I hope the NVidia/ASUS/Creative drivers improve, and that Vista RTM handles the driver problems better - hanging at random without any information is unnacceptable - XP gave me more information when it crashed! and i thought a beta version would have more diagnostic info.
And has anyone else been getting IE7 compatibility issues to even Ms websites? MSN hotmail file attachments for example...
Rui Da Costa No relation to Andre :)

Running X86, dissapointing so far, I ran to wizard to make sure the machines I built met every spec for Vista and it showed that the systems were fully compatible and all drivers were available and compatible at time of loading, well to make a long story short 1/2 the hardware and software is not recognised, hell, even the microsoft keyboard software can't be loaded, logitech mouse software is a no go and an ACPI/pnpb02f driver is incompatible, already there are complaints that windows explorer is not as user friendly as XP and we use it alot to shift files around through the network, hopefully these driver issues will be addressed in the near future, I would have thought that microsoft would have had drivers for their own branded hardware already written, the only good thing so far has been the Nvidia driver at the Nvidia site, at least that works, right now though he bosses are looking at it and saying maybe not to upgrading to Vista and sticking with XP, first impressions always last don't the, I can see their point, why buy a new OS and have to possibly buy new hardware as well if the hardware manufacturers don't come to the party with updates for the OS.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Hello everyone,
I would like to know who here is running Windows Vista beta 2 x86 and x64 or both, which Editions, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business or Ulitmate.
What has prevented you from giving either platform the thumbs up, what you do like or don't like about either platform, what is missing from the x64 version that has always been the 32-bit version.
I am going to include 5381 and 5365 x64, since a lot of persons might still not have obtained BETA 2 yet. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta